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RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - TheEd - 28-06-2019
Hi markco, an excellent 5k paced run
nice to see the control shown and still going quicker
great
on we go
TheEd
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - MarkCo - 30-06-2019
Thanks TheEd!
Feeling good at the moment - shame I haven't got a race this weekend. I will do a time trial again to measure progress instead, thinking either 4 or 5km - probably the latter.
Day 13
Felt this was my best easy 10k thus far. Nice and relaxed and ended up being quite a decent pace for an easy run.
10.39km in 55:17
5:19/km
Av HR 140
Day 14
6.44km in 35:03
5:26/km
Av HR 143
Day 15
3 x 5 mins (with 1 min easy pace rests) with 2km warm up and 2km cool down. Feeling stronger in the legs, sped up a bit for the last one.
Interval / dist / pace / Av HR / Max HR / Min HR after rest
1 / 1.08km / 4:36 / 156 / 166 / 146
2 / 1.10km / 4:32 / 160 / 166 / 151
3 / 1.12km / 4:25 / 164 / 173 / 154
Av pace during intervals: 4:31/km.
Same session last cycle:
Interval / dist / pace / Av HR / Max HR / Min HR after rest
1 / 1.06km / 4:41 / 152 / 161 / 144
2 / 1.07km / 4:39 / 156 / 164 / 149
3 / 1.11km / 4:29 / 161 / 170 / 155
Av pace during intervals: 4:36/km.
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - TheEd - 02-07-2019
Hi markco, there is a definite improvement if the pulse is at 140 and the pace is quicker
things are developing very nicely
TheEd
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - MarkCo - 02-07-2019
Hi TheEd
Yes, I'm keeping the HR around 140 for all easy runs, which seems to now be translating into 5:20-5:30/km, compared with 5:45-6:00/km when I started on the programs in March. My estimated VO2 max on my sportswatch has also gone from 50/51 to 56/57 - appreciate it's only an estimate but still demonstrates an improvement in aerobic fitness and that the program is definitely working!
Quick question - I'll be back in the UK in August and will be doing 1 or 2 races. I want to take full advantage of the "altitude training" I've had here and translate it into the best 10k time possible. I think with progress since my last 10k race in May (48:59 although I think that was gun time, actual time 48:36), I could currently run circa 47:30 here at altitude. My all time PB is 45:06, so my aim is to break this in a race at sea level in August. I know it's quite a tough challenge, but I believe I could do it.
The question is, can I add a faster speed session or two (maybe 400s) and some strides into my programme over the next month? The reason for this is to try and put a touch more speed and strength into my legs, which I can't do at altitude with the longer 1000 and 2000 intervals as the altitude / lack of oxygen is what prevents me from going faster in those.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
cheers
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - TheEd - 04-07-2019
Hi markco,
the 2k session is 10k pace and the 1k session is 5k pace
the 2k session develops your speed endurance in the best way possible
in the next cycle if you quicken the pace of the 2k and 1k by 10 seconds this should provide more confidence, there is no need to do the 400's
as things stand, where your easy runs @ 140 are around 5:20 to 5:30 per k, you should be able to race 1 minute per k quicker over 10k, so you looking at 4:20 to 4:30 per k
at sea level this should favour you more
so everything is there, and it is all about putting it together on race day
preparation and then application
TheEd
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - MarkCo - 04-07-2019
Hi The Ed
That explanation makes sense - many thanks.
I am certain I wouldn't be able to maintain 4:20-4:30/km for 10k here (i.e. at altitude) but I hope and expect I will at sea level. I'll up the paces as you said for the next cycle for the extra confidence boost.
I did the time trial today, here's the update from the last few days:
Day 16
Feeling slightly tired so had a day off.
Day 17
Feeling good. 7.48km in 39:53 @ 5:20/km.
Av HR 141.
Day 18
Rested.
Day 19
Went to the nice park for a stress-free 4km time trial! 2.5km warm up and 3.5km warm down. Was aiming for 4:30/km.
km / pace / Av HR
1 / 4:28 / 147
2 / 4:26 / 164
3 / 4:28 / 165
4 / 4:26 / 165
Total time: 17:52 (4:28/km).
For comparison, the last 4km time trial I did on 29 April was in 18:53 (4:43/km).
Few days of easy runs now and I'll start the cycle again.
cheers
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - TheEd - 05-07-2019
Hi markco, nice going with things
have a great weekend and enjoy
TheEd
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - MarkCo - 05-07-2019
(05-07-2019, 08:27 AM)TheEd Wrote: Hi markco, nice going with things
have a great weekend and enjoy
TheEd
Many thanks, have a great weekend too!
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - MarkCo - 10-07-2019
Hi TheEd
Hope all is well with you.
Finished the recovery runs (5.67km @ 5:18/km, 6.09km @ 5:12/km and 7.33km @ 5:22/km, with Av HR 135, 139 and 142 respectively).
Started the new cycle today with 11.41km in 60:34 (5:18/km). Av HR 145.
I did the 4x2km and 6x1km sessions last time, so pretty much the sub-45 program, so was thinking to do this again if that sounds OK?
As discussed, will try to increase the speed of the interval sessions by 10 secs.
In the last cycle, my 4x2km average pace was 4:45/km, so looking to increase this to approx. 4:35/km (might start out at 4:40km and look to increase).
6x1km average pace last cycle was 4:29/km, so looking to increase to approx. 4:20/km (again might start at 4:25/km pace and increase).
Do those all sound OK?
Many thanks!
RE: Sub 50 min 10k at altitude - TheEd - 11-07-2019
Hi markco, all looking good
get the pacing of the first couple of 2000's right so that you don't start out too fast
enjoy
onwards and forwards
TheEd